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		<title>By: F.T.</title>
		<link>http://www.athenian-legacy.com/2009/02/chestiunea-evreiasca-origini/comment-page-1/#comment-10197</link>
		<dc:creator>F.T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Va multumim pentru apreciere. Sper ca intr-un comment ulterior sa punctati mai exact respectivele inexactitati si omisiuni. Ne va ajuta sa evoluam. Va urez o zi buna. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Va multumim pentru apreciere. Sper ca intr-un comment ulterior sa punctati mai exact respectivele inexactitati si omisiuni. Ne va ajuta sa evoluam. Va urez o zi buna. <img src='http://www.athenian-legacy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: IudaismRO</title>
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		<dc:creator>IudaismRO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Articol interesant, dar cu unele inexactitati si omisiuni. Merci.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Articol interesant, dar cu unele inexactitati si omisiuni. Merci.</p>
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		<title>By: serghei</title>
		<link>http://www.athenian-legacy.com/2009/02/chestiunea-evreiasca-origini/comment-page-1/#comment-1034</link>
		<dc:creator>serghei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrei Oisteanu:
&quot;The massacre in Galati

In the 19th century several accusations of this type reported in cities of Moldova (Iasi, Roman, Galati, Bacau, Piatra Neamt etc.) brought about serious consequences. The violent events that took place in Galati (Easter 1859) are typical: dead and wounded people were reported, synagogues were destroyed, rolls of the Law were burnt, houses were destroyed, shops were pillaged and the authorities, instead of punishing the instigators, arrested the Jews. The banker Rothschild himself pleaded with prince Cuza Voda asking that the Jews of Galati be protected.

Terrified by these events and not knowing whom to defend first, &quot;the Jews massacred on Romanian soil or Romanians&#039; honour itself&quot;, the scholar Ion Heliade-Radulescu wrote in an article entitled &quot;Massacre in Galati&quot;: &quot;The people found fault in order to pillage, kill and commit the most cruel crimes; many Jews were murdered and more still were assaulted and beaten; their houses were broken into and pillaged. Two synagogues were broken into and looted, the holy pots, the Law or Torah were vandalized. The Jews don&#039;t eat children in England, France, Germany, nor in any other places where people are the least bit civilized. Where else in this world are they accused of such a cruel deed? Where people are still barbarians or semi-barbarians. It is my most intimate belief that Jews are not and never have been known to eat people or children of any race or religion; their faith does not prescribe such an inhuman and barbaric principle; since the very beginning, their race was anything but a race of savages and cannibals.&quot;

&quot;Not even in Russia do Jews eat children&quot;, wrote Ion Heliade-Radulescu in 1859. The Romanian scholar was wrong because in Russia, in the 19th century and even in the first decades of the 20th century, it was believed that Jews performed ritual child-killing. This was, in fact, the cause of the 1903 pogrom in Chisinau (a Russian city at the time) and of Mendel Beilis&#039; trial in Kiev (1911-1913).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrei Oisteanu:<br />
&#8220;The massacre in Galati</p>
<p>In the 19th century several accusations of this type reported in cities of Moldova (Iasi, Roman, Galati, Bacau, Piatra Neamt etc.) brought about serious consequences. The violent events that took place in Galati (Easter 1859) are typical: dead and wounded people were reported, synagogues were destroyed, rolls of the Law were burnt, houses were destroyed, shops were pillaged and the authorities, instead of punishing the instigators, arrested the Jews. The banker Rothschild himself pleaded with prince Cuza Voda asking that the Jews of Galati be protected.</p>
<p>Terrified by these events and not knowing whom to defend first, &#8220;the Jews massacred on Romanian soil or Romanians&#8217; honour itself&#8221;, the scholar Ion Heliade-Radulescu wrote in an article entitled &#8220;Massacre in Galati&#8221;: &#8220;The people found fault in order to pillage, kill and commit the most cruel crimes; many Jews were murdered and more still were assaulted and beaten; their houses were broken into and pillaged. Two synagogues were broken into and looted, the holy pots, the Law or Torah were vandalized. The Jews don&#8217;t eat children in England, France, Germany, nor in any other places where people are the least bit civilized. Where else in this world are they accused of such a cruel deed? Where people are still barbarians or semi-barbarians. It is my most intimate belief that Jews are not and never have been known to eat people or children of any race or religion; their faith does not prescribe such an inhuman and barbaric principle; since the very beginning, their race was anything but a race of savages and cannibals.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Not even in Russia do Jews eat children&#8221;, wrote Ion Heliade-Radulescu in 1859. The Romanian scholar was wrong because in Russia, in the 19th century and even in the first decades of the 20th century, it was believed that Jews performed ritual child-killing. This was, in fact, the cause of the 1903 pogrom in Chisinau (a Russian city at the time) and of Mendel Beilis&#8217; trial in Kiev (1911-1913).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ana-Maria Vele</title>
		<link>http://www.athenian-legacy.com/2009/02/chestiunea-evreiasca-origini/comment-page-1/#comment-1033</link>
		<dc:creator>Ana-Maria Vele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eu vorbesc despre sec. XIX si d-voastra de sec. XX, atunci cu siguranta au existat pogromuri contra evreilor, de aceea v-am spus sa nu amestecati perioadele istorice. nu ma bazez doar pe istoriografia romaneasca in asertiunile mele, ci si pe cea franceza. tocmai in inima Frantei se afla sediul Aliantei Israelite Universale inca din 1860 si sunt la curent cu unele interventii realizate de personalitatile marcante care au condus-o......chestiunea evreiasca am studiat-o si la ministerul de externe francez, dar reiterez ideea - in timpul sec.XIX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eu vorbesc despre sec. XIX si d-voastra de sec. XX, atunci cu siguranta au existat pogromuri contra evreilor, de aceea v-am spus sa nu amestecati perioadele istorice. nu ma bazez doar pe istoriografia romaneasca in asertiunile mele, ci si pe cea franceza. tocmai in inima Frantei se afla sediul Aliantei Israelite Universale inca din 1860 si sunt la curent cu unele interventii realizate de personalitatile marcante care au condus-o&#8230;&#8230;chestiunea evreiasca am studiat-o si la ministerul de externe francez, dar reiterez ideea &#8211; in timpul sec.XIX</p>
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		<title>By: serghei</title>
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		<dc:creator>serghei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Domnisoara, puneti mana pe carti si cititi si Leon Volovici, Andrei Sipercu pe langa cei doi mentionati mai sus. Pogromuri au existat, si nu cu 10 evrei ( dintre care doi s-au inecat). Nu mai puneti atata incredere si capital pe istoriografia traditionalista din Romania, care nu a studiat fenomenul indeajuns. As fi revenit cu alte indicatii bibliografice, dar din moment ce orice as spune, dvs. refuzati sa ma credeti, nu vad de ce ar trebui sa particip la aceasta discutie in continuare. Probabil ca si Alliance Israelite Internationale s-a implicat aiurea pentru evreii din Romania dupa 1878, din moment ce ei traiau bine-mersi si fericiti.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Domnisoara, puneti mana pe carti si cititi si Leon Volovici, Andrei Sipercu pe langa cei doi mentionati mai sus. Pogromuri au existat, si nu cu 10 evrei ( dintre care doi s-au inecat). Nu mai puneti atata incredere si capital pe istoriografia traditionalista din Romania, care nu a studiat fenomenul indeajuns. As fi revenit cu alte indicatii bibliografice, dar din moment ce orice as spune, dvs. refuzati sa ma credeti, nu vad de ce ar trebui sa particip la aceasta discutie in continuare. Probabil ca si Alliance Israelite Internationale s-a implicat aiurea pentru evreii din Romania dupa 1878, din moment ce ei traiau bine-mersi si fericiti.</p>
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		<title>By: Ana-Maria Vele</title>
		<link>http://www.athenian-legacy.com/2009/02/chestiunea-evreiasca-origini/comment-page-1/#comment-1031</link>
		<dc:creator>Ana-Maria Vele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as mai face o sugestie, la Berlin au existat reglementari, stipulatii, prevederi(whatever)........dar nu proviziuni</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as mai face o sugestie, la Berlin au existat reglementari, stipulatii, prevederi(whatever)&#8230;&#8230;..dar nu proviziuni</p>
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		<title>By: Ana-Maria Vele</title>
		<link>http://www.athenian-legacy.com/2009/02/chestiunea-evreiasca-origini/comment-page-1/#comment-1029</link>
		<dc:creator>Ana-Maria Vele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scuzati-ma, insa v-as ruga sa nu amestecati perioadele si evenimentele istorice.de altfel, va asigur ca am studiat destul de bine autorii mentionati, in special lucrarile d-lui prof. Carol Iancu, pe care de altfel l-am cunoscut personal. ceea ce v-as sugera ar fi studiul surselor inedite si al arhivelor coroborate cu informatiile furnizate de bibliografia de specialitate. orice ati spune, nu ma puteti convinge ca au existat pogromuri contra evreilor in a 2-a jumatate a sec.XIX, este putin prea mult spus dupa parerea mea.asa cum am mentionat anterior, au existat foarte multe discriminari, abuzuri, atacuri asupra magazinelor si caselor evreilor, chiar si sinagoga din Bucuresti fiind distrusa, circulare restrictive etc, dar nu pogromuri.
cat despre incidentul reprobabil de pe Dunare, au existat mai multe versiuni, insa cert este ca 10 evrei au fost expulzati de autoritatile romane, turcii nu au vrut sa-i primeasca specificand ca teritoriul lor nu este unul pt azil, mai ales ca acesti evrei nu aveau resurse pt a se intretine. exista temerea ca se vor alatura bandelor bulgare, alt episod turbulent al perioadei, de aceea autoritatile otomane i-au trimis inapoi. romanii nu i-au mai primit si i-au aruncat in fluviu, 2 dintre ei nestiind inota, s-au innecat.........nu contest culpabilitatea autoritatilor romane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scuzati-ma, insa v-as ruga sa nu amestecati perioadele si evenimentele istorice.de altfel, va asigur ca am studiat destul de bine autorii mentionati, in special lucrarile d-lui prof. Carol Iancu, pe care de altfel l-am cunoscut personal. ceea ce v-as sugera ar fi studiul surselor inedite si al arhivelor coroborate cu informatiile furnizate de bibliografia de specialitate. orice ati spune, nu ma puteti convinge ca au existat pogromuri contra evreilor in a 2-a jumatate a sec.XIX, este putin prea mult spus dupa parerea mea.asa cum am mentionat anterior, au existat foarte multe discriminari, abuzuri, atacuri asupra magazinelor si caselor evreilor, chiar si sinagoga din Bucuresti fiind distrusa, circulare restrictive etc, dar nu pogromuri.<br />
cat despre incidentul reprobabil de pe Dunare, au existat mai multe versiuni, insa cert este ca 10 evrei au fost expulzati de autoritatile romane, turcii nu au vrut sa-i primeasca specificand ca teritoriul lor nu este unul pt azil, mai ales ca acesti evrei nu aveau resurse pt a se intretine. exista temerea ca se vor alatura bandelor bulgare, alt episod turbulent al perioadei, de aceea autoritatile otomane i-au trimis inapoi. romanii nu i-au mai primit si i-au aruncat in fluviu, 2 dintre ei nestiind inota, s-au innecat&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;nu contest culpabilitatea autoritatilor romane</p>
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		<title>By: H.N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>H.N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mea culpa  - dreptul comun serghei... in cveea ce priveste existenta pogromurilor suntem pe aceeasi linie, serghei</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mea culpa  &#8211; dreptul comun serghei&#8230; in cveea ce priveste existenta pogromurilor suntem pe aceeasi linie, serghei</p>
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		<title>By: serghei</title>
		<link>http://www.athenian-legacy.com/2009/02/chestiunea-evreiasca-origini/comment-page-1/#comment-1017</link>
		<dc:creator>serghei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confuzia iti apartine. Pogromuri exista si in Vechiul Regat, in special dupa aplicarea proviziunilor tratatului de la Berlin. Vezi referintele de mai sus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confuzia iti apartine. Pogromuri exista si in Vechiul Regat, in special dupa aplicarea proviziunilor tratatului de la Berlin. Vezi referintele de mai sus.</p>
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		<title>By: F.T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>F.T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ana-Maria Vele
Cred ca a fost o mica neintelege. Serghei se referea la un statut al evreului conturat in a doua jumatate a secolului XIX, atunci cand Romania intra de fapt in istorie. Constitutia din 1866, extrem de liberala pentru vremea ei a fost totusi discriminatoare in privinta evreilor...chestiune semnalata de marile puteri in raporturile lor cu Ro (nu ca ei ar fi fost mai breji). Dar sa nu divaghez.
Serghei se refera, cand vb la pogromuri la sfarsitul perioadei intebelice. Alaturarea dintre cele doua momente ( a doua jumatate a sec XIX si sfarsitul anilor &#039;30) v-a facut pe dvs sa intelegeti ca sugera existenta pogromurilor in sec XIX. E doar o confuzie. O seara buna :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ana-Maria Vele<br />
Cred ca a fost o mica neintelege. Serghei se referea la un statut al evreului conturat in a doua jumatate a secolului XIX, atunci cand Romania intra de fapt in istorie. Constitutia din 1866, extrem de liberala pentru vremea ei a fost totusi discriminatoare in privinta evreilor&#8230;chestiune semnalata de marile puteri in raporturile lor cu Ro (nu ca ei ar fi fost mai breji). Dar sa nu divaghez.<br />
Serghei se refera, cand vb la pogromuri la sfarsitul perioadei intebelice. Alaturarea dintre cele doua momente ( a doua jumatate a sec XIX si sfarsitul anilor &#8217;30) v-a facut pe dvs sa intelegeti ca sugera existenta pogromurilor in sec XIX. E doar o confuzie. O seara buna <img src='http://www.athenian-legacy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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